2025年英语专八真题听力 采访2

W: Historically there have been very different working cultures in different places, Some have longer holidays and shorter working weeks, while others are just the opposite. What do you think?

W: 从历史上看，不同地方的职场文化差异很大。有些地方假期更长、工作周更短，而有些地方则恰恰相反。你怎么看？

M: Well, when you look at the statistics on the relationship between working hours and productivity in the world,

M: 嗯，当你查看全球关于工作时间和生产力关系的统计数据时，

one of the striking things you find is that it's not as clear and linear a relationship as you think.

你会发现一个引人注目的事实：这种关系并非如你想象的那样清晰和线性。

Countries like Mexico have longer working weeks and longer working years than some European countries, but they have lower productivity rates.

像墨西哥这样的国家，其工作周和工作年都比某些欧洲国家长，

But the idea that it's important to maintain better work-life balance turns out in the long run to have a lot going for it.

但它们的生产力却更低。然而，从长远来看，保持更好的工作与生活平衡的理念被证明具有很多优势。

W: You say in your book, rest can be defined in wider terms than that...

W: 你在书中提到，休息的定义可以更宽泛...

M: Yes, we often think of rest as a negative term defined by absence of work, but it's really much more than that.

M: 是的，我们常常认为休息是一个消极的词汇，定义为没有工作，但实际上它远不止于此。

The counter intuitive discovery is that many of the most restorative kinds of rest are actually active.

一个反直觉的发现是，许多最具恢复力的休息方式实际上是主动的。

Things like exercise or walks or serious, engaging hobbies do more for you than sitting on the couch watching television.

像锻炼、散步或投入的严肃爱好，比坐在沙发上看电视对你更有益处。

The kind of rest, like watching TV, playing video games, certainly has its place but active rest delivers the greatest benefits.

像看电视、玩电子游戏这类休息当然也有其作用，但主动休息带来的益处最大。

It also provides occasion for creative reflection.

它还为创造性思考提供了机会。

W: So, in your book, you talk about the importance of “deep play".

W: 所以，你在书中谈到了“深度游戏”（deep play）的重要性。

Is that a recognised psychological concept?

这是一个公认的心理学概念吗？

M: The term deep play comes originally from Jeremy Bentham but a cultural anthropologist called Clifford Geertz popularised it.

M: “深度游戏”这个词最初来自杰里米·边沁（Jeremy Bentham），但由一位叫克利福德·格尔茨（Clifford Geertz）的文化人类学家推广开来。

People who are really ambitious and think about their work an awful lot will have these hobbies that look like they absorb gigantic amounts of time and energy.

那些真正有抱负、经常思考工作的人，会有一些看起来耗费巨大时间和精力的爱好。

There are all kinds of different terms for roughly the same kind of thing, that is, serious leisure.

对于大致相同类型的事物（即严肃的休闲活动）有各种各样的术语。

The fact that there is none term for this activity reflects the fact that there is no clear idea of its importance.

没有一个统一的术语来称呼这种活动，反映了人们对其重要性缺乏清晰的认识。

But what came to see is that these kind of activities, like, for example, mountain climbing, have a deeper value that makes the investment of time and energy worthwhile.

但我逐渐认识到，这类活动，比如登山，具有更深层的价值，使得投入的时间和精力是值得的。

W: Then what about sleep ?

W: 那么睡眠呢？

M: If you don't care about your mental development or your body, then forget about sleep.

M: 如果你不关心自己的心智发展或身体健康，那就别管睡眠了。

Otherwise sleep is the original rest.

否则，睡眠是最根本的休息。

Scientists still haven't found the one thing that explains why if you have a nervous system you need to sleep, and even if you don't have a nervous system you need to sleep -plants do something similar.

科学家们仍未找到确切的原因，来解释为什么拥有神经系统就需要睡眠，甚至没有神经系统的生物（植物也会做类似的事情）也需要休息。

Sleep is incredibly important for brain maintenance.

睡眠对于大脑维护至关重要。

When we sleep the brain takes time to clear out plaques and toxins that have built up during the hours we are awake.

当我们睡觉时，大脑会花时间清除清醒时积累的斑块和毒素。

Even though we're not aware of it, sleep also helps us push forward on questions and problems we're working on during our waking hours.

尽管我们意识不到，睡眠也有助于推进我们在清醒时思考的问题和难题。

W: What's the most surprising insight or fact you came across in your research?

W: 在你研究中，遇到的最令人惊讶的见解或事实是什么？

M: The biggest thing that I took away from this book is it's completely changed the way that I think about creativity.

M: 我从这本书中最大的收获是，它彻底改变了我对创造力的看法。

I used to have a romantic notion in the 19th-century sense that creativity was something that was irrational and chaotic,

我以前持一种19世纪式的浪漫观念，认为创造力是某种非理性、混乱的东西，

that proceeds from a bolt from the blue, where you get inspired and then start working.

源于灵光乍现（a bolt from the blue），你获得灵感然后才开始工作。

And what you see in lots of creative lives is a completely different model of working.

然而，你在许多富有创造力的人的生活中看到的是完全不同的工作模式。

As the saying goes: “Inspiration exists but it has to find you at work."

正如俗话所说：“灵感确实存在，但它必须在工作时找到你。”

People who have long creative lives who do really great work for decades, they don't get inspired and start work.

那些拥有漫长创作生涯、几十年里做出伟大作品的人，他们并非先获得灵感才开始工作。

They start work and get inspired.

他们是先开始工作然后才获得灵感。

And they do this every day. That was a real revelation.

并且他们每天都这样做。这真是一个启示。

W: OK,thank you very much, Allen, for joining us tonight.

W: 好的，非常感谢你今晚参加我们的节目，艾伦。

M: Pleasure.

M: 我的荣幸。

this is the end of part two of the interview

访谈的第二部分到此结束

Questions 6 to 10 are based on what you have just heard.

问题6至10是根据你刚才听到的内容来回答的。

6.What is the man's definition of rest?

男士对休息的定义是什么？

7.Which activity has a deeper value for worthwhile investment of time and energy?

哪种活动对于时间和精力的投入具有更深层的价值？

8.What is the function of sleep, according to the man?

根据男士的说法，睡眠的功能是什么？

9.What is the man's most surprising insight from his research?

男士研究中获得的最令人惊讶的见解是什么？

10.What is the main topic of the interview?

访谈的主要话题是什么？

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