From BBC Learning English. Hello. This is six minute English from BBC Learning English.
I'm Sam and I'm Rob. In this program, we'll be talking about disagreeing.
No, we won't. I think we will.
Rob. We're discussing the following Is it good to disagree?
I know, but I feel better for having that little disagreement.
So that proves it is good to disagree.
Well, I hate to disagree, but I think we should explore the subject a little further.
1st in the next 6 min wouldn't that be?
5 min? Oh, rob, you're being pedantic, focusing too much on the small details or formal rules.
Maybe we should agree to disagree and move on to the quiz question I like to set every week.
Yes, A good idea. OK, so do you know which spiritual leader is famous for saying Disagreement is something normal?
Is it a Pope? Francis b the Dalai Lama, or see, ravishanka.
That's tricky. So I'll have a guess and say, be the Dalai Lama.
Kay, I'll let you know if that was correct at the end of the program.
But whoever said disagreement is something normal, is probably right.
I'm sure we all disagree with someone about something.
Don't be Rob No, huh? Just joking.
Of course. Disagreeing is normal. It will be boring if we agreed about everything.
However, I guess agreement on some things may have prevented a few wars indeed.
But it is a fascinating subject, and it's something the BBC Radio Four program, a guide to disagreeing better looked at, I think we should hear about how not to disagree.
1st This is couples therapist, author and speaker Esther Perel, who knows a thing or two about that in a battle, you position yourself in the hierarchy, one is on top of the other, and then there is arguing that comes with contempt, in which it's not just that I don't accept your point of view, is that I actually really think you are a lesser human being, right?
So Esther explains that bad disagreement is a battle one person tries to take a higher position in the hierarchy.
A hierarchy is a way of organizing people according to their importance, So a disagreement doesn't go well if one person thinks they're more important than someone else, and according to Esther, things also don't go well if someone has contempt, which is a dislike or a lack of respect for someone or something.
And contempt in a bad disagreement can be more than just not liking somebody's point of view, their perspective on something.
It could be thinking someone is a lesser human being out that's not nice.
Let's think more about good disagreement.
The BBC podcast seriously has listed some tips for disagreeing better, including not aiming for the middle ground, another way of saying compromising.
It also suggests speaking truthfully, listening intently.
That means giving all your attention to what's being said, and aiming for empathy, but not feeling at the end of a disagreement that you have to agree.
I agree, and I'm sure for my British politician, douglas Alexander would too.
He presented the program, a guide to Disagreeing Better, and explained why he thought disagreeing is a good thing.
A couple of decades I spent as an elected politician convinced me that disagreement is necessary if society is to progress.
And a society that values civility over justice and truth would simply be a recipe for stagnation.
But honest conversations involve listening intently as well as speaking truthfully.
The thoughts of Douglas Alexander there who, through his work as a politician, is convinced that disagreement is a good thing.
He says we shouldn't just follow the values of civility.
That means polite behavior. It's important to challenge and question thoughts and ideas, not just be polite and accept yes.
And if we don't challenge things and search for truth and justice, he feels it would lead to stagnation, staying the same and not developing the verb form.
Is too stagnate. But he does say that when we discuss things and disagree, we must be honest, listen to the other person intently and speak truthfully.
But I would add that this should be done politely and with respect.
Well, sam, I've been listening to you intently, and if I'm honest, I think it's about time you gave me the answer to to the Hays question.
We can agree on that. Rob So earlier, I asked you if you knew which spiritual leader is famous for saying Disagreement is something normal.
Is it a Pope? Francis B the Dalai Lama, or c Ravi
what did you say? I said, it's B
the Dalai Lama. And you were right.
Well done. Now, if you'll agree, could we recap some of the vocabulary we've discussed in this program?
Of course. 1st of all, I was accused of being pedantic, focusing too much on the small details or formal rules.
Then we mentioned hierarchy. This is a way of organizing people according to their importance.
dislike or lack of respect for something or someone.
A point of view, describes someone's perspective on something.
Your point of view might be different from my point of view, indeed.
And we also mentioned civility, which means polite behavior, and stagnation means staying the same and not developing.
Would you agree some? You are right, rob And that brings us to the end of our discussion about disagreeing.
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